Well, when you think it cant get worse...it does.
XLO is a separate issue...so, people: don't confuse the 2. I think XLO WILL take a slowing hit as well--due to people NOT being able TO separate the 2--therefore, with all the losses for us lately, I think people will slow upgrades there as well.
It's raining...it's pouring, folks...where will it end?
Many wouldn't know the truth if it came up & introduced itself....it's pathetic.
Some lie with straight faces...and give you fancy reasons why you should believe them...or they hide their deception in faster payouts...
Bottom line: Many--if not MOST--people don't give a rats ass about anything except getting paid. Satan could open a prog and if he paid consistently for months...and gave you a song & dance about WHY he is evil--people would be: "well, at least he was honest about why he's evil...AND he pays...so, who cares ?"
Makes me sick. I will go broke NOT putting money in this industry if I have to support admins like this.
Many have told lies right now that I have the proof for....and people have no clue...I'd post it if I thought many cared one iota about honesty...but, they wont. So, why do it if I'm the one seen as trying to stir the magic pot? You're all big boys & girls...and if you want to believe the lie WHILE you get paid: Go for it. I'm not your mama...
You want the truth...you know where to find me. Ive been stupid enough to believe that when people saw the truth...they'd automatically care...most do NOT. THAT, my friends, is what this industry can do to people. Let's all wear our rose-colored glasses, shall we?
We've all done it...difference is: when some of us begin to see how EVERYTHING always looks so disgustingly rosy...we begin to wonder why and how it can be? Others: just nod and walk along smelling the fake flowers. They fail to see the mirage they walk in...but, oh well.
2 programs I joined that I like...I have not spoken to either admin yet...but, Chad on TSL likes these...and for now--that will do for me until I find some time to speak to them..and dig more.
Check them out if you'd like..
Manic Ads (I LOVE this one)...
Trickle Down Cash (low roi...stable...good admin from what I know so far)
Command Bravo is set to be back Jan 1...I've missed them.
DesertSky is also due back in Jan...missed them as well...Dust has a great new plan...I will be supporting him and Matt & Israel from Bravo as usual.
I'm on to other interesting connections between some progs and older ones we didn't like. More to come on this when I have the final comparisons in.
These older scammers seem to be coming back in new progs to catch you all with your pants down...so: BE CAREFUL!!
Also, many small-mid size progs will begin showing the crisis of the money they lost using funds for 13DP and 12x12daily...so, watch it. (Not to mention the funds on hold with TFT as well.)
Hope everyone had a good CHRISTmas....
and I wish you all a VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!! (we could all use it)...
- TFT's issues caught most of us by surprise. When email responses by Andy had slowed down...I started wondering if it was due to him having to work harder to get funds moving....my nagging feeling the last week and a half was there gnawing at me. I certainly didn't think it would result in Andy having to admit it was so bad that he would have to stop payouts for now...etc. I had JUST been thinking about how happy I was that I had TFT to count on....(lol)....yeah, so much for that.
XLO is a separate issue...so, people: don't confuse the 2. I think XLO WILL take a slowing hit as well--due to people NOT being able TO separate the 2--therefore, with all the losses for us lately, I think people will slow upgrades there as well.
It's raining...it's pouring, folks...where will it end?
- I had to give myself a heart to heart in reference to TN the past week...finally let my thoughts and feelings fly on ASA...and found myself shocked that I even was. I feel I've been gutted like a fish. Here's to hanging on to my mom's miracle as something good to hang on to as 2006 being a wonderful year. Everything else can go away. Can it? We'll see.
- Andrew from Midas-Surf: What in the world are you doing? DO NOT use MY name in your emails so people think I am on your side--fighting for you-- I am NOT. I wanted to be fair to you (since I called you a liar on ASA about your TN money)...I told you I saw the transaction of your payout FROM TN. Way back the last time when you got up your butt the intention of coming back and said she didnt pay you...Jake & I said you WERE paid. You, not once then, negated that to us...just went on a hiatus again. NOW...you're back--with the same claim. Since I want to be fair...as many people have NOT been paid in full from TN, I told you I would look at your transactions and see if your claim was valid. I would look at it all...have you tell me whether you opted IN or OUT (as that matters when figuring money owed)...and POST if YOU were correct that she DID owe you, and that I would tell her she DID owe you more. That was IT. That's much different than me interceding on your behalf and fighting to get you money. DO NOT use my name again in this manner...or you will see me TRULY angry. I dont know what happened to you either...but, I cant see any reasons why you have been out of the loop so long...and expect people to jump on board again. BTW: I still havent received this from Andrew. Enough of that, too.
Many wouldn't know the truth if it came up & introduced itself....it's pathetic.
Some lie with straight faces...and give you fancy reasons why you should believe them...or they hide their deception in faster payouts...
Bottom line: Many--if not MOST--people don't give a rats ass about anything except getting paid. Satan could open a prog and if he paid consistently for months...and gave you a song & dance about WHY he is evil--people would be: "well, at least he was honest about why he's evil...AND he pays...so, who cares ?"
Makes me sick. I will go broke NOT putting money in this industry if I have to support admins like this.
Many have told lies right now that I have the proof for....and people have no clue...I'd post it if I thought many cared one iota about honesty...but, they wont. So, why do it if I'm the one seen as trying to stir the magic pot? You're all big boys & girls...and if you want to believe the lie WHILE you get paid: Go for it. I'm not your mama...
You want the truth...you know where to find me. Ive been stupid enough to believe that when people saw the truth...they'd automatically care...most do NOT. THAT, my friends, is what this industry can do to people. Let's all wear our rose-colored glasses, shall we?
We've all done it...difference is: when some of us begin to see how EVERYTHING always looks so disgustingly rosy...we begin to wonder why and how it can be? Others: just nod and walk along smelling the fake flowers. They fail to see the mirage they walk in...but, oh well.
- NOW...on to some better news: (yes, there is some)...
2 programs I joined that I like...I have not spoken to either admin yet...but, Chad on TSL likes these...and for now--that will do for me until I find some time to speak to them..and dig more.
Check them out if you'd like..
Manic Ads (I LOVE this one)...
Trickle Down Cash (low roi...stable...good admin from what I know so far)
- Good news on other progs I've liked:
Command Bravo is set to be back Jan 1...I've missed them.
DesertSky is also due back in Jan...missed them as well...Dust has a great new plan...I will be supporting him and Matt & Israel from Bravo as usual.
I'm on to other interesting connections between some progs and older ones we didn't like. More to come on this when I have the final comparisons in.
These older scammers seem to be coming back in new progs to catch you all with your pants down...so: BE CAREFUL!!
Also, many small-mid size progs will begin showing the crisis of the money they lost using funds for 13DP and 12x12daily...so, watch it. (Not to mention the funds on hold with TFT as well.)
Hope everyone had a good CHRISTmas....
and I wish you all a VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!! (we could all use it)...
Small update and somewhat of a rant ahead:
12x12daily: Well, what a week, huh? I can say Dave is NOT the same Dave he was back in 2005.
I remember old newsletter posts by Dave where he swore off ponzis...never had too much good to say about them...and would write how it was hard enough for him to maintain a 1% site--much less a high one. Of course, he was in 12dp...and figured more power to them.
When he went against his core knowledge and opened 12x12...no doubt he wanted/needed money to help pay his baby: DnD's....
Ok...he admitted it....and I always found Dave to shoot from the hip....Dave, what happened to you? What happened to the great guy we used to know?
What I find the MOST deceitful was taking upgrades yesterday. How are THOSE used to make payouts, Dave? They upgrade (some THOUSANDS of dollars)...and wake up to NO 12x12 and NO money. SAD!! Downright DISGUSTING!
You can hide behind your TOS all you want, Dave...but the members ALSO paid for advertising, didnt they? They certainly didnt get their 12 days of paid advertising, did they?
Shame on you...did you NOT know last night you would be closing? Yet, you let the fear of people NOT having their 50% in go...and you ALLOWED them to upgrade even last night..KNOWING what your site would read TODAY!!
If you EVER had an ounce of integrity ---you will REFUND those immediately.
For the record, I haven't upgraded in 12x12 for 2 wks...so, this has NOTHING to do with me.
I feel disgusted when I read the many members who upgraded thousands and hundreds yesterday...only to be ROBBED today.
So, Dave...are you a snake? or the Dave we thought we knew? You answer it.
Now...on to a new program I looked closely at. I usually do NOT like these 'types' of programs...I always see these in rotations and go: "geez, how many of these, are there"?
BUT...this one--I looked closely at--outstanding compensation plan--awesome opportunity to actually have residual income monthly. What is it?
Acai Plus....
Check this page out and tell me it doesn't look great. I have spoken to others in this and they are doing well. I am a part of a very strong team....so, getting in here will help you grow even faster.
I'm very excited and hope you will think about joining me in this effort. I am looking for more opportunities for GOOD RESIDUAL income...I believe this will get me that moreso than any others I have looked at in the recent past.
Acai Plus...(look for my name on the upper right hand corner if you sign up)...
Blue Heaven Mails does look good. I checked some basic info (server issues...basic checks based on domain info provided...so far--so good--and SSL protected)...
You 'read' an email daily that consists of 5 links...10 seconds a piece....make 10% /14 days.
I will continue looking at some more info...but, for now: Good one to get in. Just don't throw a bunch in (more than you can stand to lose)...until I give it a deeper look.
I started with only $30...am about to put in more.
Enough for tonight....let's hope for no more bad news this week....
Just remember: As much as we'd LOVE to think of the surf world as a REAL business--it just is NOT right now (does not mean it cant be)...MOST are games....the few who actually TRY to make it more legit are trying--it doesn't mean they HAVE. The only light comes from sticking with admins who TRY harder than others...who have a decent rep...and who do their "damnest" to keep their word. There are a few left, very few mind you, who DO have good intentions...but, even THEY hit hurdles. This is why I write: it's ALL a gamble, people...it's who has the best poker face that often wins. It's not always the good guys either...........unfortunately.
~Ciao~
12x12daily: Well, what a week, huh? I can say Dave is NOT the same Dave he was back in 2005.
I remember old newsletter posts by Dave where he swore off ponzis...never had too much good to say about them...and would write how it was hard enough for him to maintain a 1% site--much less a high one. Of course, he was in 12dp...and figured more power to them.
When he went against his core knowledge and opened 12x12...no doubt he wanted/needed money to help pay his baby: DnD's....
Ok...he admitted it....and I always found Dave to shoot from the hip....Dave, what happened to you? What happened to the great guy we used to know?
What I find the MOST deceitful was taking upgrades yesterday. How are THOSE used to make payouts, Dave? They upgrade (some THOUSANDS of dollars)...and wake up to NO 12x12 and NO money. SAD!! Downright DISGUSTING!
You can hide behind your TOS all you want, Dave...but the members ALSO paid for advertising, didnt they? They certainly didnt get their 12 days of paid advertising, did they?
Shame on you...did you NOT know last night you would be closing? Yet, you let the fear of people NOT having their 50% in go...and you ALLOWED them to upgrade even last night..KNOWING what your site would read TODAY!!
If you EVER had an ounce of integrity ---you will REFUND those immediately.
For the record, I haven't upgraded in 12x12 for 2 wks...so, this has NOTHING to do with me.
I feel disgusted when I read the many members who upgraded thousands and hundreds yesterday...only to be ROBBED today.
So, Dave...are you a snake? or the Dave we thought we knew? You answer it.
Now...on to a new program I looked closely at. I usually do NOT like these 'types' of programs...I always see these in rotations and go: "geez, how many of these, are there"?
BUT...this one--I looked closely at--outstanding compensation plan--awesome opportunity to actually have residual income monthly. What is it?
Acai Plus....
Check this page out and tell me it doesn't look great. I have spoken to others in this and they are doing well. I am a part of a very strong team....so, getting in here will help you grow even faster.
I'm very excited and hope you will think about joining me in this effort. I am looking for more opportunities for GOOD RESIDUAL income...I believe this will get me that moreso than any others I have looked at in the recent past.
Acai Plus...(look for my name on the upper right hand corner if you sign up)...
Blue Heaven Mails does look good. I checked some basic info (server issues...basic checks based on domain info provided...so far--so good--and SSL protected)...
You 'read' an email daily that consists of 5 links...10 seconds a piece....make 10% /14 days.
I will continue looking at some more info...but, for now: Good one to get in. Just don't throw a bunch in (more than you can stand to lose)...until I give it a deeper look.
I started with only $30...am about to put in more.
Enough for tonight....let's hope for no more bad news this week....
Just remember: As much as we'd LOVE to think of the surf world as a REAL business--it just is NOT right now (does not mean it cant be)...MOST are games....the few who actually TRY to make it more legit are trying--it doesn't mean they HAVE. The only light comes from sticking with admins who TRY harder than others...who have a decent rep...and who do their "damnest" to keep their word. There are a few left, very few mind you, who DO have good intentions...but, even THEY hit hurdles. This is why I write: it's ALL a gamble, people...it's who has the best poker face that often wins. It's not always the good guys either...........unfortunately.
~Ciao~
Well, my thoughts on the following:
Well, enough for now...I'm off--
As Always,
Happy Surfing
- Sorry to see Adsharesurf is taking a hiatus--I was just starting to enjoy this one. Hopefully, Brian will get things resolved and be back soon.
- 13DP: I hate to see people lose here--I'll especially hate to see progs who had a bunch here & may suffer. When 13DP first had issues, I had gotten inside info (not totally verified) that gave me extreme reason to not trust them. I began posting my concerns way back when it was happening. I think I was frustrating Mordk--who I think VERY highly of--and seeing as how I couldn't verify this rumor with an even 95% accuracy rate...I stopped posting about my concerns. Everyone who has EVER emailed me about 13DP has gotten my feelings on them. I didn't disclose WHY I felt this way to hardly anyone...but, I felt compelled when emailed about my opinion on 13DP...to answer. I was beginning to think maybe that intel I got way back when I was in 13dp...and making a NICE amount from my own funds and referrals-(I did, however email ALL referrals way back when I left and told them to think about getting out)...was inaccurate--since Bo was doing well lately. Now that this has occured...maybe the intel was accurate...maybe Bo WAS biding his time getting people 'comfy'--or maybe the greed just NOW started getting him...I don't know. I've been emailed so many times for my opinion of 13dp...because no one could understand why I wasn't in...now you know.
- PTSPayPro/APP connection: I haven't had a ton of time to dig on this...I got word from someone this could be connected. I started an 'excavation' some last night...and didn't see any STRONG indicators so far. ' Granted, the links re-directing to the old APP site would be freaky, but it can also be explained. I certainly wouldn't leave that there knowing people might think it WAS Good ole' Rob again...but, until I find strong server connections and tracer routes...I wont say it's Rob...
- That leads me to 5050club and maximumsurf.net: This data DOES all lead to Charlie. There is NO doubt it is him. I am looking at 10x20 as another possible sites he is connected to as well. There are 21 some sites on the 5050club server...and a bunch on the Infinity Pay (which I feel is Charlie's and a sucky processor at that...NO SSL) server to cross reference...guilt by association is NOT full proof...so, until I cross reference all...I cant say for sure YET which ones on this server ARE his, also. Cross referencing can take an ungodly amount of time (which is something I rarely have during the weekdays)....rest assured: I will go through them one by one & let you all know. I lost it some (well...not bad...lo) on the 5050club thread on ASA when someone asked me why in the hell I couldn't 'leave it alone'?? I got upset...it astounds me how some can know who this is...and not care about MORE people being scammed. It's like "I'm damned if I do...& damned if I don't"
- ...what I wouldn't give to go back to Lance from NowDollar and know about Harrold's Media to KNOW to cross reference...it's not easy...knowing to be FULLY sure, I'd have to cross reference EVERY site--with any other site just to compare. It's not possible...and it makes it easy for some former scammers to revisit us with new sites. Anymore, if I see anything that seems 'familiar' with a new site, I start looking at possible comparisons.
- I've joined Blue Heaven Mails...but, wont be BIG on it until I've searched more...I'm enjoying it so far...will let you know soon if it's ok enough for more of you to join.
Well, enough for now...I'm off--
As Always,
Happy Surfing
New EzsurfnEarn...which I'll support because Stacy & Jason are worth supporting.
Don't forget my warning on 5050club.com & maximumsurf.net
(see post below)
Don't forget my warning on 5050club.com & maximumsurf.net
(see post below)
quick update before more people get sucked in to an all time scammer:
You remember Charlie boy Perkins? He's at it again....guess where?
5050club.com & Maximumsurf.net ( NOT MaximumsurFING--by Jack, Tom, & Lola)
There is a 5050inc.com (as well) that he even puts his email with...(lol)...you DO have to look close, but--thats what we SHOULD be doing.
There are 21-22 sites on this server....others I am tracing to see if they are his as well...connected to him in anyway.
When I traced routes from his last scam to 5050club--they are 99% identical; the only reason they are not 100% identical is because it times out through the last routes...
Disgusting...and some on a particular forum in this thread state to just 'let it go--leave it alone--it's paying now' !!!!! THAT is revolting...who gives a flying crap whether he pays NOW...he owes THOUSANDS to people...
Have some freaking sense--support this man again--and you will reap what you sow--
Let's hope "charlie boy" reaps his due rewards.
Had to get that out...so one more person wont join his scam to be.
Others seeming to be doing 'kind of' well--but, based on data I just wouldn't throw too much at:
thegoldsurf.com
150profitsurf.com
125surf.com
(The last 2 are connected)
Word has it from other bloggers I have read (Surf Bloodhound for one)--wanted to have it here as well:
Mycollegesurf.com: another Mikula disaster......so RUN!!
Time for me to go....caution this time of year...they will flock to scam you.
Oh: paid recently from:
Nick @ The Ultimate Surf: he is doing much better....I will continue supporting him for sure.
Jason & Stacy @ Wicked-hits, EzsurfnEarn, & 2nd Dimension all paid in the past 2-3 days-
Andy @ TFT & XLO: Of course! Nothing new there...
Mike @AS49 : You all need in this one AND Coastin88 (new one by Mike & Trevor from CEPC)
Ines @ BuenosAires Surf (who also works with Brian @ High Speed Hits and the new Adsharesurf)
Ones I haven't been paid from in awhile:
12x12daily.net (4 pendings now--oldest ref one: 11/16--oldest reg payout: 11/25)
MVPSurf (but, I knew that)
Network sites: on hold...(but, aren't we used to that? )
You remember Charlie boy Perkins? He's at it again....guess where?
5050club.com & Maximumsurf.net ( NOT MaximumsurFING--by Jack, Tom, & Lola)
There is a 5050inc.com (as well) that he even puts his email with...(lol)...you DO have to look close, but--thats what we SHOULD be doing.
There are 21-22 sites on this server....others I am tracing to see if they are his as well...connected to him in anyway.
When I traced routes from his last scam to 5050club--they are 99% identical; the only reason they are not 100% identical is because it times out through the last routes...
Disgusting...and some on a particular forum in this thread state to just 'let it go--leave it alone--it's paying now' !!!!! THAT is revolting...who gives a flying crap whether he pays NOW...he owes THOUSANDS to people...
Have some freaking sense--support this man again--and you will reap what you sow--
Let's hope "charlie boy" reaps his due rewards.
Had to get that out...so one more person wont join his scam to be.
Others seeming to be doing 'kind of' well--but, based on data I just wouldn't throw too much at:
thegoldsurf.com
150profitsurf.com
125surf.com
(The last 2 are connected)
Word has it from other bloggers I have read (Surf Bloodhound for one)--wanted to have it here as well:
Mycollegesurf.com: another Mikula disaster......so RUN!!
Time for me to go....caution this time of year...they will flock to scam you.
Oh: paid recently from:
Nick @ The Ultimate Surf: he is doing much better....I will continue supporting him for sure.
Jason & Stacy @ Wicked-hits, EzsurfnEarn, & 2nd Dimension all paid in the past 2-3 days-
Andy @ TFT & XLO: Of course! Nothing new there...
Mike @AS49 : You all need in this one AND Coastin88 (new one by Mike & Trevor from CEPC)
Ines @ BuenosAires Surf (who also works with Brian @ High Speed Hits and the new Adsharesurf)
Ones I haven't been paid from in awhile:
12x12daily.net (4 pendings now--oldest ref one: 11/16--oldest reg payout: 11/25)
MVPSurf (but, I knew that)
Network sites: on hold...(but, aren't we used to that? )
I've joined a couple of new sites that I think are worthy of you to look at: My personal links are above IF you want to sign under me...I'd recommend getting in them either way.
Adsharesurf : run by Brian Sams of High Speed Hits--looks really good.
Coastin88: brought to you by the admins of CEP and AS49--I am excited about this one as well.
Note: Dustin from Desertskymarketing has paid me back my whole upgrade amount--so, kudos to him for getting those out to people. He wants to share some neat ideas he has for his new model opening in Jan; I think Dustin has showed his intent to be good to members and work hard at remedying any issues that caused him to have to close.
I look forward to him re-opening in Jan.
Adsharesurf : run by Brian Sams of High Speed Hits--looks really good.
Coastin88: brought to you by the admins of CEP and AS49--I am excited about this one as well.
Note: Dustin from Desertskymarketing has paid me back my whole upgrade amount--so, kudos to him for getting those out to people. He wants to share some neat ideas he has for his new model opening in Jan; I think Dustin has showed his intent to be good to members and work hard at remedying any issues that caused him to have to close.
I look forward to him re-opening in Jan.
LONG update ahead:
I have a LOT to write about; some I am shooting from the hip about--need to get things 'off my chest'...so, get ready.
Anyone who was in TN when it was a powerhouse knows why it's hard to see it the way it is now. People who joined near the end of the 'good times'--have to be outraged. At least those of us who had good times in plenty...we can be more tolerant. But, even those are losing it.
Well, I cant leave her...I know her heart..I know her motives. I am loyal....bottom line. If I thought she was lying...out to screw people..I'd expose it all.
Yes, this IS a business...and objectivity is essential. Being objective--I can't blame anyone for not wanting to put more in until you've reaped what you sowed months ago when TN was thriving. If I were YOU...I wouldnt either until the tide turns. I can tell you that things WERE launched TOO soon --not enough testing in some sites especially. They wanted to 'get going'--get people earning again--and the burden on the script of manually changing things has taken its toll.
They MUST take the time--get away from everything else--and FOCUS BIG TIME. They need NO distractions...and then they can assess what happened EXACTLY and how to keep it from hurting us again.
The pendings seen by us members in many sites are NOT visible in their admin panels--what would you have them do?? Pay blind? Take the chance they will pay incorrectly causing a whole other issue? NO...they cannot. They MUST take this closed off time now...and get it taken care of: ONCE & FOR ALL.
Let them work...so we can ALL get back to the TN we know.
People ask me: "Why do you still support Stormy"?
Let me give you this analogy:
Think of that admin that you love the most--trust the most. Say you've made a lot of money for months with him/her. Now throw in that you established a good relationship w/ him/her...
Heard their dreams...visions...have conversations about how you both wanted to change the industry to give people something real...stable...etc...
Now...crap happens...yeah..they make some bad calls...they try to remedy them...and more crap happens...(even the things they may have created unknowingly)....but, you know they are working to fix it all..lest they admit failure--which is not in his/her nature to do. This is someone you feel a camaraderie with...a peace...a connection...someone you feel you can call "friend".
Someone you've cried with, someone you've made plans with...someone you've talked to in their most sullen place...someone who divulged their inner desires to help others along with you.
NOW...you know all of this...you know the errors, the mistakes, the anger people feel not only at your friend, but YOU for bringing them into the mess it has become; yet, you know how it was...and how it can be...do you dump this person?
Walk away...when you KNOW they need YOU?
Thats where I'm at...loyalty is BIG with me...she's been loyal to me...she's shared her dreams with me....her vision...we've shared how we want these programs to be...
she has shared her concern of making a place where people dont have to fear being scammed.
and if she can JUST get a grip here...I know it CAN BE all of that.
I just cant walk away...I cant leave her.
So, if for one minute YOU find yourself reading this and thinking I am in 'cahoots' here trying to scheme w/ her on how to steal your money....KNOCK IT OFF!!
I've never even been able to take a penny from the "take a penny tray" in stores...it's not in me to scheme...steal...and I can tell you: it's not in Stormy either.
I have mentioned I think audits for the old sites should have just been done...they should have been closed down...revamped to have one profit sharing and one regular...(even 2 profit sharing)..MANY things could have been done differently....
It's all water under the bridge...what do we do with the mess before us now as members?
Other than to wait it out; honestly, I dont know--and that is VERY hard for me to write. It's always been hard for me to admit I'm HELPLESS in something....I see script errors, I see programming issues, changes that are GOOD--but implemented at a time when people just cant absorb any more.
TOO MANY CHANGES IN A SPONTANEOUS MANNER IS HURTING MEMBERS!!!!!
The new 50/50 concept is wonderful...I wanted it instead of the 40/60 to begin with.
BUT...timing is essential in any implementation...
The timing on SO MANY THINGS HERE IS OFF!! They need to understand that just because THEY know there are no cash flow issue right now...doesn't mean members know it.
We are trained to see those RED FLAGS....and members will NOT love anyone SO much that they turn a blind eye to those. Anyone who does turn a blind eye (no matter WHO IT IS)...is NOT being prudent.
I know as of NOW...cash is NOT the issue here....(of course they need and want new money...they cant survive indefinitely without it; but they were in wonderful shape before this mess occured...they had the money then...they have it now)....
What is irritating me NOW...is losing the pulse of members to the tune of thinking that just because people love the program....they wont wonder about the red flags...
They WILL...and adding new things that make them think it more DOES NOT HELP.
There are logical explanations--I've never seen so many messed up script issues...
Something has to change and FAST. Manpower has to be added...
People: I'm ticked as well...don't think I'm not. I am...I am frustrated, annoyed, and irritated to the point where I leave my house now to get away from forums....I see this in members and I feel helpess TO help.
I know this woman, though, and I KNOW she is trying VERY hard to fix it all....she wants "A" to happen...and "B" happens instead...
Too much to do and not enough time to make it happen. She felt she shouldn't have started payouts when she did...because she saw the script issues potentially adding up, and she didn't want even MORE people ticked when payouts became late...
I take the blame for this..because I talked her into starting them!! I told her people needed money...and they would understand if issues arose LATER because they would have seen them, at least, started. I guess I was wrong..I should have known that once money starts coming in....THEN slows...people get angry.
Blame ME for this one; she knew when the reg sites went to Profit sharing (TL, J4T)...that the script might get complicated....right now, they cant even tell which pendings there are accurate and which ones are NOT; hence the delay in those.
I just wanted to let you in on my thoughts here; I feel for HER and I feel for members...
I have loyalty to both...and like I wrote: if I thought she was stringing anyone along, I wouldn't put up with it.
I can only hope she doesn't give up..and I can only hope that things turn around and we see TN as the powerhouse it was when we all fell in love with it.
2) 2nd thing I need to write about: Tri-Star Mess
It took me a LONG time to get over my shock, hurt, and anger over this. I couldn't even THINK about blogging after that--or even a few days after. I refused to REACT over it (on here), so it was best for me to get myself together...get my shock & anger in check...and I did.
I could write a short story on how that all started....I could show you pm's of conversations between me & Bob when he DID plead for my support...and pm's between me & Brookie where I made it CRYSTAL clear that I would NEVER even THINK about sharing that private info about Bob. I certainly didn't care--it didn't make me, a Tri Star member--leery of HIM as a person or as an admin. If I were going to post something JUICY...or something worthy of threatening someone with--it certainly would be something bigger and 'better' than a bankruptcy.
I am not made that way...I don't work that way. I used it in an example to someone interested in data too...(someone very fond of these programs who I knew wouldn't care about this either) as something that I would NEVER use publicly.
I can tell you the story of how this ALL started (and ended for me) it was about addresses: plain & simple. Bob knew I did reports on peoples' requests...he knew he was picked by them--I did the right thing and went to HIM first. It was insignificant...some multiple addresses....and the one on an old domain record didnt match. I knew there was a logical explanation...and I set out to get it from HIM. That way, any members who read this data (on the addresses ONLY) wouldn't think: Hmm....why does Bob have these varying addresses?
Now, I could go into the whole 9 week song & dance on how I contacted Brookie many times reminding her Bob still had not addressed these simple issues...and I was leaving for my mom's soon and wanted my report (with Bob's input) done before I left.
I will not go into all of it....bottom line: I NEVER posted anything bad about him...or his programs on my blog...and it wasn't until Brookie alluded to me lying about having his info that I became angry and posted some things on The Safe List.
Brookie & I settled all of that. She was cordial and genuinely remorseful once she understood the misunderstanding. It was then we had a few nice chats in pm's and we discussed this bankruptcy wherein I told her in no uncertain terms that I felt Bob was a nice guy and there would be NO PURPOSE in EVER revealing that...it was private and had NO bearing on Bob as a person/admin.
As far as I knew...it was over. 2 days later, I got a PM on ASA asking me what the hell was going on. You all know the rest. Thats the story.
What I got from that 'show', I did not deserve. Maybe if I HAD posted that on every forum available to actually embarass him: then yeah, I could see sitting on a show and poking fun at me in a way that I couldnt believe. You'd think I did something REALLY bad to get what came at me. I did feel like I was being targeted by 2 bullies....
I did no special digging...no illegal search...I did what I always do now (after Mr. Lance from ND screwed us all)....I DIG...I do checks. It was included in a comprehensive..and when it came up, I thought: Hmmm...no biggie.
Bob said it when he said: I dig deep; you bet I do...from now on, I will on anyone.
People who get these reports want detail...and I give more now than ever before, and any criminal activity that shows up in my searches (and these are paid searches)....I WILL reveal.
That's it in a nutshell...I don't need any more elaboration...as I don't care enough TO elaborate.
I had truly begun believing that Bob was giving this industry a good shove in the right direction...
I do appreciate the apology Bob gave....and I wish him and Tri-Star well.
Well, it's late...and I am back to work now; so, I am off to bed.
As Always,
Happy Surfing
- First thing I need to write in depth about: The Network.
Anyone who was in TN when it was a powerhouse knows why it's hard to see it the way it is now. People who joined near the end of the 'good times'--have to be outraged. At least those of us who had good times in plenty...we can be more tolerant. But, even those are losing it.
Well, I cant leave her...I know her heart..I know her motives. I am loyal....bottom line. If I thought she was lying...out to screw people..I'd expose it all.
Yes, this IS a business...and objectivity is essential. Being objective--I can't blame anyone for not wanting to put more in until you've reaped what you sowed months ago when TN was thriving. If I were YOU...I wouldnt either until the tide turns. I can tell you that things WERE launched TOO soon --not enough testing in some sites especially. They wanted to 'get going'--get people earning again--and the burden on the script of manually changing things has taken its toll.
They MUST take the time--get away from everything else--and FOCUS BIG TIME. They need NO distractions...and then they can assess what happened EXACTLY and how to keep it from hurting us again.
The pendings seen by us members in many sites are NOT visible in their admin panels--what would you have them do?? Pay blind? Take the chance they will pay incorrectly causing a whole other issue? NO...they cannot. They MUST take this closed off time now...and get it taken care of: ONCE & FOR ALL.
Let them work...so we can ALL get back to the TN we know.
People ask me: "Why do you still support Stormy"?
Let me give you this analogy:
Think of that admin that you love the most--trust the most. Say you've made a lot of money for months with him/her. Now throw in that you established a good relationship w/ him/her...
Heard their dreams...visions...have conversations about how you both wanted to change the industry to give people something real...stable...etc...
Now...crap happens...yeah..they make some bad calls...they try to remedy them...and more crap happens...(even the things they may have created unknowingly)....but, you know they are working to fix it all..lest they admit failure--which is not in his/her nature to do. This is someone you feel a camaraderie with...a peace...a connection...someone you feel you can call "friend".
Someone you've cried with, someone you've made plans with...someone you've talked to in their most sullen place...someone who divulged their inner desires to help others along with you.
NOW...you know all of this...you know the errors, the mistakes, the anger people feel not only at your friend, but YOU for bringing them into the mess it has become; yet, you know how it was...and how it can be...do you dump this person?
Walk away...when you KNOW they need YOU?
Thats where I'm at...loyalty is BIG with me...she's been loyal to me...she's shared her dreams with me....her vision...we've shared how we want these programs to be...
she has shared her concern of making a place where people dont have to fear being scammed.
and if she can JUST get a grip here...I know it CAN BE all of that.
I just cant walk away...I cant leave her.
So, if for one minute YOU find yourself reading this and thinking I am in 'cahoots' here trying to scheme w/ her on how to steal your money....KNOCK IT OFF!!
I've never even been able to take a penny from the "take a penny tray" in stores...it's not in me to scheme...steal...and I can tell you: it's not in Stormy either.
I have mentioned I think audits for the old sites should have just been done...they should have been closed down...revamped to have one profit sharing and one regular...(even 2 profit sharing)..MANY things could have been done differently....
It's all water under the bridge...what do we do with the mess before us now as members?
Other than to wait it out; honestly, I dont know--and that is VERY hard for me to write. It's always been hard for me to admit I'm HELPLESS in something....I see script errors, I see programming issues, changes that are GOOD--but implemented at a time when people just cant absorb any more.
TOO MANY CHANGES IN A SPONTANEOUS MANNER IS HURTING MEMBERS!!!!!
The new 50/50 concept is wonderful...I wanted it instead of the 40/60 to begin with.
BUT...timing is essential in any implementation...
The timing on SO MANY THINGS HERE IS OFF!! They need to understand that just because THEY know there are no cash flow issue right now...doesn't mean members know it.
We are trained to see those RED FLAGS....and members will NOT love anyone SO much that they turn a blind eye to those. Anyone who does turn a blind eye (no matter WHO IT IS)...is NOT being prudent.
I know as of NOW...cash is NOT the issue here....(of course they need and want new money...they cant survive indefinitely without it; but they were in wonderful shape before this mess occured...they had the money then...they have it now)....
What is irritating me NOW...is losing the pulse of members to the tune of thinking that just because people love the program....they wont wonder about the red flags...
They WILL...and adding new things that make them think it more DOES NOT HELP.
There are logical explanations--I've never seen so many messed up script issues...
Something has to change and FAST. Manpower has to be added...
People: I'm ticked as well...don't think I'm not. I am...I am frustrated, annoyed, and irritated to the point where I leave my house now to get away from forums....I see this in members and I feel helpess TO help.
I know this woman, though, and I KNOW she is trying VERY hard to fix it all....she wants "A" to happen...and "B" happens instead...
Too much to do and not enough time to make it happen. She felt she shouldn't have started payouts when she did...because she saw the script issues potentially adding up, and she didn't want even MORE people ticked when payouts became late...
I take the blame for this..because I talked her into starting them!! I told her people needed money...and they would understand if issues arose LATER because they would have seen them, at least, started. I guess I was wrong..I should have known that once money starts coming in....THEN slows...people get angry.
Blame ME for this one; she knew when the reg sites went to Profit sharing (TL, J4T)...that the script might get complicated....right now, they cant even tell which pendings there are accurate and which ones are NOT; hence the delay in those.
I just wanted to let you in on my thoughts here; I feel for HER and I feel for members...
I have loyalty to both...and like I wrote: if I thought she was stringing anyone along, I wouldn't put up with it.
I can only hope she doesn't give up..and I can only hope that things turn around and we see TN as the powerhouse it was when we all fell in love with it.
2) 2nd thing I need to write about: Tri-Star Mess
It took me a LONG time to get over my shock, hurt, and anger over this. I couldn't even THINK about blogging after that--or even a few days after. I refused to REACT over it (on here), so it was best for me to get myself together...get my shock & anger in check...and I did.
I could write a short story on how that all started....I could show you pm's of conversations between me & Bob when he DID plead for my support...and pm's between me & Brookie where I made it CRYSTAL clear that I would NEVER even THINK about sharing that private info about Bob. I certainly didn't care--it didn't make me, a Tri Star member--leery of HIM as a person or as an admin. If I were going to post something JUICY...or something worthy of threatening someone with--it certainly would be something bigger and 'better' than a bankruptcy.
I am not made that way...I don't work that way. I used it in an example to someone interested in data too...(someone very fond of these programs who I knew wouldn't care about this either) as something that I would NEVER use publicly.
I can tell you the story of how this ALL started (and ended for me) it was about addresses: plain & simple. Bob knew I did reports on peoples' requests...he knew he was picked by them--I did the right thing and went to HIM first. It was insignificant...some multiple addresses....and the one on an old domain record didnt match. I knew there was a logical explanation...and I set out to get it from HIM. That way, any members who read this data (on the addresses ONLY) wouldn't think: Hmm....why does Bob have these varying addresses?
Now, I could go into the whole 9 week song & dance on how I contacted Brookie many times reminding her Bob still had not addressed these simple issues...and I was leaving for my mom's soon and wanted my report (with Bob's input) done before I left.
I will not go into all of it....bottom line: I NEVER posted anything bad about him...or his programs on my blog...and it wasn't until Brookie alluded to me lying about having his info that I became angry and posted some things on The Safe List.
Brookie & I settled all of that. She was cordial and genuinely remorseful once she understood the misunderstanding. It was then we had a few nice chats in pm's and we discussed this bankruptcy wherein I told her in no uncertain terms that I felt Bob was a nice guy and there would be NO PURPOSE in EVER revealing that...it was private and had NO bearing on Bob as a person/admin.
As far as I knew...it was over. 2 days later, I got a PM on ASA asking me what the hell was going on. You all know the rest. Thats the story.
What I got from that 'show', I did not deserve. Maybe if I HAD posted that on every forum available to actually embarass him: then yeah, I could see sitting on a show and poking fun at me in a way that I couldnt believe. You'd think I did something REALLY bad to get what came at me. I did feel like I was being targeted by 2 bullies....
I did no special digging...no illegal search...I did what I always do now (after Mr. Lance from ND screwed us all)....I DIG...I do checks. It was included in a comprehensive..and when it came up, I thought: Hmmm...no biggie.
Bob said it when he said: I dig deep; you bet I do...from now on, I will on anyone.
People who get these reports want detail...and I give more now than ever before, and any criminal activity that shows up in my searches (and these are paid searches)....I WILL reveal.
That's it in a nutshell...I don't need any more elaboration...as I don't care enough TO elaborate.
I had truly begun believing that Bob was giving this industry a good shove in the right direction...
I do appreciate the apology Bob gave....and I wish him and Tri-Star well.
Well, it's late...and I am back to work now; so, I am off to bed.
As Always,
Happy Surfing
