LONG update ahead:
I have a LOT to write about; some I am shooting from the hip about--need to get things 'off my chest'...so, get ready.
Anyone who was in TN when it was a powerhouse knows why it's hard to see it the way it is now. People who joined near the end of the 'good times'--have to be outraged. At least those of us who had good times in plenty...we can be more tolerant. But, even those are losing it.
Well, I cant leave her...I know her heart..I know her motives. I am loyal....bottom line. If I thought she was lying...out to screw people..I'd expose it all.
Yes, this IS a business...and objectivity is essential. Being objective--I can't blame anyone for not wanting to put more in until you've reaped what you sowed months ago when TN was thriving. If I were YOU...I wouldnt either until the tide turns. I can tell you that things WERE launched TOO soon --not enough testing in some sites especially. They wanted to 'get going'--get people earning again--and the burden on the script of manually changing things has taken its toll.
They MUST take the time--get away from everything else--and FOCUS BIG TIME. They need NO distractions...and then they can assess what happened EXACTLY and how to keep it from hurting us again.
The pendings seen by us members in many sites are NOT visible in their admin panels--what would you have them do?? Pay blind? Take the chance they will pay incorrectly causing a whole other issue? NO...they cannot. They MUST take this closed off time now...and get it taken care of: ONCE & FOR ALL.
Let them work...so we can ALL get back to the TN we know.
People ask me: "Why do you still support Stormy"?
Let me give you this analogy:
Think of that admin that you love the most--trust the most. Say you've made a lot of money for months with him/her. Now throw in that you established a good relationship w/ him/her...
Heard their dreams...visions...have conversations about how you both wanted to change the industry to give people something real...stable...etc...
Now...crap happens...yeah..they make some bad calls...they try to remedy them...and more crap happens...(even the things they may have created unknowingly)....but, you know they are working to fix it all..lest they admit failure--which is not in his/her nature to do. This is someone you feel a camaraderie with...a peace...a connection...someone you feel you can call "friend".
Someone you've cried with, someone you've made plans with...someone you've talked to in their most sullen place...someone who divulged their inner desires to help others along with you.
NOW...you know all of this...you know the errors, the mistakes, the anger people feel not only at your friend, but YOU for bringing them into the mess it has become; yet, you know how it was...and how it can be...do you dump this person?
Walk away...when you KNOW they need YOU?
Thats where I'm at...loyalty is BIG with me...she's been loyal to me...she's shared her dreams with me....her vision...we've shared how we want these programs to be...
she has shared her concern of making a place where people dont have to fear being scammed.
and if she can JUST get a grip here...I know it CAN BE all of that.
I just cant walk away...I cant leave her.
So, if for one minute YOU find yourself reading this and thinking I am in 'cahoots' here trying to scheme w/ her on how to steal your money....KNOCK IT OFF!!
I've never even been able to take a penny from the "take a penny tray" in stores...it's not in me to scheme...steal...and I can tell you: it's not in Stormy either.
I have mentioned I think audits for the old sites should have just been done...they should have been closed down...revamped to have one profit sharing and one regular...(even 2 profit sharing)..MANY things could have been done differently....
It's all water under the bridge...what do we do with the mess before us now as members?
Other than to wait it out; honestly, I dont know--and that is VERY hard for me to write. It's always been hard for me to admit I'm HELPLESS in something....I see script errors, I see programming issues, changes that are GOOD--but implemented at a time when people just cant absorb any more.
TOO MANY CHANGES IN A SPONTANEOUS MANNER IS HURTING MEMBERS!!!!!
The new 50/50 concept is wonderful...I wanted it instead of the 40/60 to begin with.
BUT...timing is essential in any implementation...
The timing on SO MANY THINGS HERE IS OFF!! They need to understand that just because THEY know there are no cash flow issue right now...doesn't mean members know it.
We are trained to see those RED FLAGS....and members will NOT love anyone SO much that they turn a blind eye to those. Anyone who does turn a blind eye (no matter WHO IT IS)...is NOT being prudent.
I know as of NOW...cash is NOT the issue here....(of course they need and want new money...they cant survive indefinitely without it; but they were in wonderful shape before this mess occured...they had the money then...they have it now)....
What is irritating me NOW...is losing the pulse of members to the tune of thinking that just because people love the program....they wont wonder about the red flags...
They WILL...and adding new things that make them think it more DOES NOT HELP.
There are logical explanations--I've never seen so many messed up script issues...
Something has to change and FAST. Manpower has to be added...
People: I'm ticked as well...don't think I'm not. I am...I am frustrated, annoyed, and irritated to the point where I leave my house now to get away from forums....I see this in members and I feel helpess TO help.
I know this woman, though, and I KNOW she is trying VERY hard to fix it all....she wants "A" to happen...and "B" happens instead...
Too much to do and not enough time to make it happen. She felt she shouldn't have started payouts when she did...because she saw the script issues potentially adding up, and she didn't want even MORE people ticked when payouts became late...
I take the blame for this..because I talked her into starting them!! I told her people needed money...and they would understand if issues arose LATER because they would have seen them, at least, started. I guess I was wrong..I should have known that once money starts coming in....THEN slows...people get angry.
Blame ME for this one; she knew when the reg sites went to Profit sharing (TL, J4T)...that the script might get complicated....right now, they cant even tell which pendings there are accurate and which ones are NOT; hence the delay in those.
I just wanted to let you in on my thoughts here; I feel for HER and I feel for members...
I have loyalty to both...and like I wrote: if I thought she was stringing anyone along, I wouldn't put up with it.
I can only hope she doesn't give up..and I can only hope that things turn around and we see TN as the powerhouse it was when we all fell in love with it.
2) 2nd thing I need to write about: Tri-Star Mess
It took me a LONG time to get over my shock, hurt, and anger over this. I couldn't even THINK about blogging after that--or even a few days after. I refused to REACT over it (on here), so it was best for me to get myself together...get my shock & anger in check...and I did.
I could write a short story on how that all started....I could show you pm's of conversations between me & Bob when he DID plead for my support...and pm's between me & Brookie where I made it CRYSTAL clear that I would NEVER even THINK about sharing that private info about Bob. I certainly didn't care--it didn't make me, a Tri Star member--leery of HIM as a person or as an admin. If I were going to post something JUICY...or something worthy of threatening someone with--it certainly would be something bigger and 'better' than a bankruptcy.
I am not made that way...I don't work that way. I used it in an example to someone interested in data too...(someone very fond of these programs who I knew wouldn't care about this either) as something that I would NEVER use publicly.
I can tell you the story of how this ALL started (and ended for me) it was about addresses: plain & simple. Bob knew I did reports on peoples' requests...he knew he was picked by them--I did the right thing and went to HIM first. It was insignificant...some multiple addresses....and the one on an old domain record didnt match. I knew there was a logical explanation...and I set out to get it from HIM. That way, any members who read this data (on the addresses ONLY) wouldn't think: Hmm....why does Bob have these varying addresses?
Now, I could go into the whole 9 week song & dance on how I contacted Brookie many times reminding her Bob still had not addressed these simple issues...and I was leaving for my mom's soon and wanted my report (with Bob's input) done before I left.
I will not go into all of it....bottom line: I NEVER posted anything bad about him...or his programs on my blog...and it wasn't until Brookie alluded to me lying about having his info that I became angry and posted some things on The Safe List.
Brookie & I settled all of that. She was cordial and genuinely remorseful once she understood the misunderstanding. It was then we had a few nice chats in pm's and we discussed this bankruptcy wherein I told her in no uncertain terms that I felt Bob was a nice guy and there would be NO PURPOSE in EVER revealing that...it was private and had NO bearing on Bob as a person/admin.
As far as I knew...it was over. 2 days later, I got a PM on ASA asking me what the hell was going on. You all know the rest. Thats the story.
What I got from that 'show', I did not deserve. Maybe if I HAD posted that on every forum available to actually embarass him: then yeah, I could see sitting on a show and poking fun at me in a way that I couldnt believe. You'd think I did something REALLY bad to get what came at me. I did feel like I was being targeted by 2 bullies....
I did no special digging...no illegal search...I did what I always do now (after Mr. Lance from ND screwed us all)....I DIG...I do checks. It was included in a comprehensive..and when it came up, I thought: Hmmm...no biggie.
Bob said it when he said: I dig deep; you bet I do...from now on, I will on anyone.
People who get these reports want detail...and I give more now than ever before, and any criminal activity that shows up in my searches (and these are paid searches)....I WILL reveal.
That's it in a nutshell...I don't need any more elaboration...as I don't care enough TO elaborate.
I had truly begun believing that Bob was giving this industry a good shove in the right direction...
I do appreciate the apology Bob gave....and I wish him and Tri-Star well.
Well, it's late...and I am back to work now; so, I am off to bed.
As Always,
Happy Surfing
- First thing I need to write in depth about: The Network.
Anyone who was in TN when it was a powerhouse knows why it's hard to see it the way it is now. People who joined near the end of the 'good times'--have to be outraged. At least those of us who had good times in plenty...we can be more tolerant. But, even those are losing it.
Well, I cant leave her...I know her heart..I know her motives. I am loyal....bottom line. If I thought she was lying...out to screw people..I'd expose it all.
Yes, this IS a business...and objectivity is essential. Being objective--I can't blame anyone for not wanting to put more in until you've reaped what you sowed months ago when TN was thriving. If I were YOU...I wouldnt either until the tide turns. I can tell you that things WERE launched TOO soon --not enough testing in some sites especially. They wanted to 'get going'--get people earning again--and the burden on the script of manually changing things has taken its toll.
They MUST take the time--get away from everything else--and FOCUS BIG TIME. They need NO distractions...and then they can assess what happened EXACTLY and how to keep it from hurting us again.
The pendings seen by us members in many sites are NOT visible in their admin panels--what would you have them do?? Pay blind? Take the chance they will pay incorrectly causing a whole other issue? NO...they cannot. They MUST take this closed off time now...and get it taken care of: ONCE & FOR ALL.
Let them work...so we can ALL get back to the TN we know.
People ask me: "Why do you still support Stormy"?
Let me give you this analogy:
Think of that admin that you love the most--trust the most. Say you've made a lot of money for months with him/her. Now throw in that you established a good relationship w/ him/her...
Heard their dreams...visions...have conversations about how you both wanted to change the industry to give people something real...stable...etc...
Now...crap happens...yeah..they make some bad calls...they try to remedy them...and more crap happens...(even the things they may have created unknowingly)....but, you know they are working to fix it all..lest they admit failure--which is not in his/her nature to do. This is someone you feel a camaraderie with...a peace...a connection...someone you feel you can call "friend".
Someone you've cried with, someone you've made plans with...someone you've talked to in their most sullen place...someone who divulged their inner desires to help others along with you.
NOW...you know all of this...you know the errors, the mistakes, the anger people feel not only at your friend, but YOU for bringing them into the mess it has become; yet, you know how it was...and how it can be...do you dump this person?
Walk away...when you KNOW they need YOU?
Thats where I'm at...loyalty is BIG with me...she's been loyal to me...she's shared her dreams with me....her vision...we've shared how we want these programs to be...
she has shared her concern of making a place where people dont have to fear being scammed.
and if she can JUST get a grip here...I know it CAN BE all of that.
I just cant walk away...I cant leave her.
So, if for one minute YOU find yourself reading this and thinking I am in 'cahoots' here trying to scheme w/ her on how to steal your money....KNOCK IT OFF!!
I've never even been able to take a penny from the "take a penny tray" in stores...it's not in me to scheme...steal...and I can tell you: it's not in Stormy either.
I have mentioned I think audits for the old sites should have just been done...they should have been closed down...revamped to have one profit sharing and one regular...(even 2 profit sharing)..MANY things could have been done differently....
It's all water under the bridge...what do we do with the mess before us now as members?
Other than to wait it out; honestly, I dont know--and that is VERY hard for me to write. It's always been hard for me to admit I'm HELPLESS in something....I see script errors, I see programming issues, changes that are GOOD--but implemented at a time when people just cant absorb any more.
TOO MANY CHANGES IN A SPONTANEOUS MANNER IS HURTING MEMBERS!!!!!
The new 50/50 concept is wonderful...I wanted it instead of the 40/60 to begin with.
BUT...timing is essential in any implementation...
The timing on SO MANY THINGS HERE IS OFF!! They need to understand that just because THEY know there are no cash flow issue right now...doesn't mean members know it.
We are trained to see those RED FLAGS....and members will NOT love anyone SO much that they turn a blind eye to those. Anyone who does turn a blind eye (no matter WHO IT IS)...is NOT being prudent.
I know as of NOW...cash is NOT the issue here....(of course they need and want new money...they cant survive indefinitely without it; but they were in wonderful shape before this mess occured...they had the money then...they have it now)....
What is irritating me NOW...is losing the pulse of members to the tune of thinking that just because people love the program....they wont wonder about the red flags...
They WILL...and adding new things that make them think it more DOES NOT HELP.
There are logical explanations--I've never seen so many messed up script issues...
Something has to change and FAST. Manpower has to be added...
People: I'm ticked as well...don't think I'm not. I am...I am frustrated, annoyed, and irritated to the point where I leave my house now to get away from forums....I see this in members and I feel helpess TO help.
I know this woman, though, and I KNOW she is trying VERY hard to fix it all....she wants "A" to happen...and "B" happens instead...
Too much to do and not enough time to make it happen. She felt she shouldn't have started payouts when she did...because she saw the script issues potentially adding up, and she didn't want even MORE people ticked when payouts became late...
I take the blame for this..because I talked her into starting them!! I told her people needed money...and they would understand if issues arose LATER because they would have seen them, at least, started. I guess I was wrong..I should have known that once money starts coming in....THEN slows...people get angry.
Blame ME for this one; she knew when the reg sites went to Profit sharing (TL, J4T)...that the script might get complicated....right now, they cant even tell which pendings there are accurate and which ones are NOT; hence the delay in those.
I just wanted to let you in on my thoughts here; I feel for HER and I feel for members...
I have loyalty to both...and like I wrote: if I thought she was stringing anyone along, I wouldn't put up with it.
I can only hope she doesn't give up..and I can only hope that things turn around and we see TN as the powerhouse it was when we all fell in love with it.
2) 2nd thing I need to write about: Tri-Star Mess
It took me a LONG time to get over my shock, hurt, and anger over this. I couldn't even THINK about blogging after that--or even a few days after. I refused to REACT over it (on here), so it was best for me to get myself together...get my shock & anger in check...and I did.
I could write a short story on how that all started....I could show you pm's of conversations between me & Bob when he DID plead for my support...and pm's between me & Brookie where I made it CRYSTAL clear that I would NEVER even THINK about sharing that private info about Bob. I certainly didn't care--it didn't make me, a Tri Star member--leery of HIM as a person or as an admin. If I were going to post something JUICY...or something worthy of threatening someone with--it certainly would be something bigger and 'better' than a bankruptcy.
I am not made that way...I don't work that way. I used it in an example to someone interested in data too...(someone very fond of these programs who I knew wouldn't care about this either) as something that I would NEVER use publicly.
I can tell you the story of how this ALL started (and ended for me) it was about addresses: plain & simple. Bob knew I did reports on peoples' requests...he knew he was picked by them--I did the right thing and went to HIM first. It was insignificant...some multiple addresses....and the one on an old domain record didnt match. I knew there was a logical explanation...and I set out to get it from HIM. That way, any members who read this data (on the addresses ONLY) wouldn't think: Hmm....why does Bob have these varying addresses?
Now, I could go into the whole 9 week song & dance on how I contacted Brookie many times reminding her Bob still had not addressed these simple issues...and I was leaving for my mom's soon and wanted my report (with Bob's input) done before I left.
I will not go into all of it....bottom line: I NEVER posted anything bad about him...or his programs on my blog...and it wasn't until Brookie alluded to me lying about having his info that I became angry and posted some things on The Safe List.
Brookie & I settled all of that. She was cordial and genuinely remorseful once she understood the misunderstanding. It was then we had a few nice chats in pm's and we discussed this bankruptcy wherein I told her in no uncertain terms that I felt Bob was a nice guy and there would be NO PURPOSE in EVER revealing that...it was private and had NO bearing on Bob as a person/admin.
As far as I knew...it was over. 2 days later, I got a PM on ASA asking me what the hell was going on. You all know the rest. Thats the story.
What I got from that 'show', I did not deserve. Maybe if I HAD posted that on every forum available to actually embarass him: then yeah, I could see sitting on a show and poking fun at me in a way that I couldnt believe. You'd think I did something REALLY bad to get what came at me. I did feel like I was being targeted by 2 bullies....
I did no special digging...no illegal search...I did what I always do now (after Mr. Lance from ND screwed us all)....I DIG...I do checks. It was included in a comprehensive..and when it came up, I thought: Hmmm...no biggie.
Bob said it when he said: I dig deep; you bet I do...from now on, I will on anyone.
People who get these reports want detail...and I give more now than ever before, and any criminal activity that shows up in my searches (and these are paid searches)....I WILL reveal.
That's it in a nutshell...I don't need any more elaboration...as I don't care enough TO elaborate.
I had truly begun believing that Bob was giving this industry a good shove in the right direction...
I do appreciate the apology Bob gave....and I wish him and Tri-Star well.
Well, it's late...and I am back to work now; so, I am off to bed.
As Always,
Happy Surfing
Dear MrsVee:
Good to see you back MrsVee I was starting to go through withdrawl waiting for your newest update.
As far as the Network, Is there a reason that they can't go to a straight re-up from cash balance system without the need for new money purchases. There are an awful lot of members who are just strapped financially and can't afford to add new cash. It seems cruel that, after waiting 2 1/2 months for TN to re-start, many members had started surfing again just to have to stop again while they wait to be paid.
It doesn't solve all the problems but I think that it would solve several. Starting with expiring ad-packs, also members frustration with not being able to upgrade and surf, and maybe most important, the members flooding the support system with questions about all of the above.
I can't imagine your frustation at everything that is going on at TNR and elsewhere but it is wonderful to hear from you again.
Good health and long life to you and your family and Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and yours.
With love, Ron
Dear MrsVee:
Good to see you back MrsVee I was starting to go through withdrawl waiting for your newest update.
As far as the Network, Is there a reason that they can't go to a straight re-up from cash balance system without the need for new money purchases. There are an awful lot of members who are just strapped financially and can't afford to add new cash. It seems cruel that, after waiting 2 1/2 months for TN to re-start, many members had started surfing again just to have to stop again while they wait to be paid.
It doesn't solve all the problems but I think that it would solve several. Starting with expiring ad-packs, also members frustration with not being able to upgrade and surf, and maybe most important, the members flooding the support system with questions about all of the above.
I can't imagine your frustation at everything that is going on at TNR and elsewhere but it is wonderful to hear from you again.
Good health and long life to you and your family and Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and yours.
With love, Ron
ooops sorry about double posting
Ron
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